I meant “you� as any designer trying to sell his/her service, not Jeff in particular. Jeff’s work in particular is very good relatively speaking. Certainly better than anything I could ever hope to put together.
How is she really effecting your position in the industry? You’re missing the point, and this comment illustrates it. I’m not talking about this because I’m not comfortable with my station in life. I’m happy with where I am — and you’re
I think most clients don’t understand these things, and that is why I am advocating for some sort of group/orginazation/site/wahtever that serves to educate the consumers of web design. I think this is a good point; many clients aren’t
It’s hard to believe that one could do well in an industry without keeping up with the state of the art. I assure you, several of these people continue to do well. The afore mentioned “Manager of Web Services� makes more money than me,
It’s hard to take this rant serious when the author got his start the exact same way he’s advocating against. The author actually got his start when working in HTML was “the way to go� if you wanted to design web pages.
Ah OK, at first it wasn’t clear to me that you were concerned about the state of all those unfortunate people who have to pay for terrible websites and for the unfortunate people that browse them. This is just my opinion,
It’s hard to take this rant serious when the author got his start the exact same way he’s advocating against. I started in 1994. If you know of a university where I could have gotten a quality web design education in 1994, let me know.
Nice leap of logic. At no point does Jeff complain that ‘his’ clients aren’t looking at portfolios — yet you make the inane assertion that Jeff is somehow unhappy with where he’s at due to not selling himself hard enough.
All your points are valid but I do think there is a way to make such a ‘union’ work however you’d have to come at it from the viewpoint of the client and all the things we know/assume about them. If we take as a given that they cannot
It’s hard to take this rant serious when the author got his start the exact same way he’s advocating against. The tone comes out rather arrogant (“We professionals, those amateurs�) and the line between amateur and professional is both
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Matt-. That’s why “professional� is in quotation marks in the title. The word professional carries with it many connotations, only one of which is a person who gets paid to do a particular task. Another meaning that the word connotes is
Jeff-. As you well know I do not have any experience in this area; and I do not claim to. However, I want to point out the definition of “Professional�, from Merriam-Webster’s Online dictionary: Professional: participating for gain or
You definitely make a good point, Tiffany. I guess it just seems to me that the difference between the work of the hack and the serious professional is a way bigger gap than it should be. Your jeans example is a good one.
Great post, Jeff. I think that the model we should really be looking to is the Realtor model. There are lots of people who work in real estate, and lots of them even have a real estate license, but being a Realtor means (or is projected
I want to be on record as saying I think it’sa -great- idea in progress. My comment was in an attempt to brainstorm and highlight what might be good points to look at in refining the idea in progress. (As I’m not a web designer,
It’s probably because that client just doesn’t “get� good design. And you don’t want someone like that as a client, do you? I see your point, and I agree with it — but having been through it myself, I can assure you that some people
As an aside, I’m not sure that I agree with your assesment that it’s gotten harder to make a real website… Hasn’t it gotten much easier? Where it used to take weeks to debug a CSS issue, Goggle finds the answer in a second.
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You can’t teach people taste, it seems. They either have it or they don’t. Just look around at signage in your hometown. Or flip through the phone book. Look at the logos. How many of them are well designed and how many are clipart?
